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Hilton Yam, 10-8 Performance and the Glock vs. M&P

I have a lot of respect for Hilton Yam of 10-8 Performance, though truth be told I've only met him a couple of times (and I doubt he even remembers). That said, everyone, Hilton_Yam_10-8Performanceand I mean everyone I've ever talked to about his work has had nothing but high praise. As a result, I follow his blog and social media outlets. Not too long ago he posted this:

"...a few months ago I wrote a blog article titled GLOCK VS. M&P…OR WHY I SHOOT AN M&P...[the article] seemed to either garner support from M&P fans or bitter hatred and foaming spittle producing rage from...anyone not an M&P fan, especially the Glock people. Funny enough, I probably have more Glocks and time on and around them than a lot of those mindless fanboys...but I digress. Point being, I get lambasted for suggesting that some fairly simple workarounds on a plastic pistol make it very workable for me. Yet for the past decade I was lauded for showing how some really expensive and skill intensive workarounds for a 100 yr old pistol could make it workable for some folks. Um, WTF?"
I was intrigued, so I looked up the original article. It's a good read, regardless of your preference of pistol breed. Here is an excerpt:

Excerpted from Glock vs. M&P…or why I shoot an M&P

"...For purposes of discussion below, I will be comparing the Glock 17 vs. the M&P 9mm full sized model.  If we were comparing the Glock 21 to the M&P 45, then let’s just stop here and declare the M&P .45 the winner and move on.  Superior ergonomics by far, good accuracy, and availability of thumb safety Kit Up! Hilton Yam of 10-8 Performance discussing the relative merits of the M&P vs. Glock in an article from 'Modern Service Weapons'. to help transition 1911 shooters make the M&P 45 the clear winner in my opinion.  Add a viable and reliable factory 14 round magazine, and you pretty much have the whole package wrapped up with a bow.  Same with .40 – the M&P was designed for the .40, with steel chassis for increased rigidity and none of the  durability or function issues of the Glock 22.  Oddly, the 9mm was shoehorned into the M&P platform rather than the reverse which is true for Glock, and it is therefore the weakest model of the M&P.  So why do I shoot one all the time?

  • The main downfall of the M&P 9mm is the wildly varying accuracy thanks to some QC issues and design flaws.  The M&P 9 barrel uses a tragically slow 1:18.75″ twist, which does a poor job stabilizing heavier bullets.  To add insult to injury, the M&P also unlocks extremely quickly.  This early unlocking tends to negate any conventional wisdom on what bullet weights should shoot well with the M&P, and you’ll want to do a bit of experimenting.  The Glock is inherently more accurate than the M&P, and will shoot 3″ or better at 25 yards with a wide range of ammunition.  I feel that 3″ or less is a good measure for service pistol accuracy at 25 yards.  My 3 primary M&P 9mm’s will all shoot 3″ or better at 25 yards with any 147 grain ammunition that I feed them, and two of them have printed 2 5/8″ standing offhand at 25 yards with 147 grain.  That works for me.  However, all three of the guns shoot about 6-8″ at 25 yards using 115 and 124 grain ammo.  My solution at this point is just to stick with 147 grain.
25 yd standing offhand groups with M&P 9
  • I feel that the M&P ergonomics are far superior for a 1911 guy, and better thought out overall than Glock (even the Gen 4).  The availability of interchangeable backstraps and thumb safety make the M&P a very logical polymer substitute for a 1911.  I love my M&P 9′s light recoil and lack of maintenance and setup requirements, making it a great vacation from high maintenance/setup 1911s.
  • Reliability?  The 3rd Gen Glock 17 is an extremely reliable gun, but it’s a real crapshoot right now with the Gen 4.  The M&P 9mm tends to be quite reliable across the board, and my 3 guns have not had any weapon related malfunctions in about 9000 rounds since the end of October 2011.  I have isolated some real bad primers in some of my ammo that have given me failures to fire, and had a total of 2 magazine related failures which were tracked down to a bad follower and worn spring in one mag.  That mag has been rebuilt and has since been 100%..."

He makes several more points. I encourage you to read the article in its entirety if you carry or are curious about either of these weapons.


Note: if you're interested (and even if you're not) I am a Glock man, largely because my old rangemaster used to say, "If you're going to treat your gun like a classic car, carry a 1911. If you're going to treat it like a lawnmower and leave it out in the yard, carry a Glock."

I treat mine like a lawnmower.

I have begun shooting my M&P more frequently, however, and I really like the ergonomics of the grip (though I'm not wild about the factory trigger pull); I'm also going to be reviewing the new S&W M&P CORE once it arrives.

End of tangent and digression.


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